User talk:BTullis (WMF)

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Moves and redirects

Hiyo! I noticed in RecentChanges that you'd moved a page without leaving a redirect behind (Special:Log/move).

I just wanted to note that it's usually best to leave a redirect behind, because otherwise incoming links from elsewhere (onwiki, or bookmarks/email/etc) will be broken.

E.g. there are now 2 pages with redlinks at Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Helm_chart (though IIUC from glancing at the history, they were historically redlinks until yesterday!).

I suggest re-creating Helm chart as a simple redirect to Kubernetes/Deployment Charts, to fix those 2 links.

Hope that helps! And my apologies if I'm overlooking context! Quiddity (talk) 01:05, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Quiddity,

Many thanks for your message and for the guidance. I will certainly review my recent changes and bear this advice in mind in future, however in this particular case I'm of the opinion that a redirect from Helm charts to Kubernetes/Deployment Charts isn't the right thing to do. My reasoning is around trying to add clarity and remove ambiguity within the SRE docs.

In this case:

• helm is a third-party tool, which we have to build and deploy.
• helmfile is a third-party tool, which we also have to build and deploy.
• Helm charts are a set of standards regarding file formats and structures, which we use when defining our Kubernetes services.
• Helmfile deployments are the way that we associate a service with a cluster, including most of the core services for making the cluster work.
• 'Deployment Charts' is the WMF way of managing all of our helm charts and helmfile deployments within a single repository, along with lots of supporting modules, scaffolding and tests etc.

Speaking personally, it took me quite a long time to understand the nuances of all this, so I thought I would try to update the documentation in the hope of making it easier for new SREs (and other interested parties) to understand.

It's still an ongoing job though and I appreciate your concern about the possibility of my leaving broken links behind. I might end up making a specific Helm charts page, but in the meantime I don't think a redirect to Deployment charts adds clarity. Btullis (talk) 11:16, 28 November 2022 (UTC)